33348 Pte Thomas Richard Hayes

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33348 Pte Thomas Richard Hayes

Postby Prop_Blast » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:50 pm

Hi everyone on the forum,
I've been trying to find out more details about my Great Grandfather:

Name: HAYES, THOMAS RICHARD
Initials: T R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Worcestershire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 40
Date of Death: 25/09/1917
Service No: 33348
Additional information: Husband of Alice Louisa Hayes, of 100, Monument Rd., Ladywood, Birmingham. Native of Birmingham.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XXIII. C. 19A.
Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY

I pulled they above details from the Commonwealth War Grave Commission website. I'd like to find out more details of where on the Western Front he served, how many times he was wounded, how he died, where he died, etc etc. I've never actually seen a picture of my Great Grandfather so if anyone could provide any that would be great.
As many details as possible would be brilliant.

Also 40 years of age seems rather old. Is this quite common with conscription of this time?

Regards

Peter Hayes
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Postby Barrie » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:51 am

HiYa Peter,

I have checked Thomas Richard Hayes on Soldiers Died in
the Great War but there is no additional information there,
except he enlisted in Birmingham. On SDGW you are able
to print a facsimile copy of the Memorial Scroll, if you look
in the Photos section of this site there is a picture of an
original scroll there, for each casualty listed so if you would
like one for Thomas please feel free to contact me at my
e-mail (murtaghb@aol.com) with an address and I'll print
you one and send it to you.

If you are not to far from a large Library you can check
many other sources of information, if you can get to
Birmingham I would suggest you go to the Family
History/Archives Section of Birmingham City Library
where you can search the Birth and Marraiges Index's
and get any certificates for him? The register office is
within a short walking distance. Also check the 1901, 1891
and 1881 census's and this will put flesh on the bones.
Getting a picture of a casualty is almost impossible but a
check of De Rivegnys, not sure of the spelling Birmingham
City Library have a copy and you can Aalso check the
archives of local papers for the time while you are there.

Also in Birmingham City Library they have Volumes of the
National Roll for the area and as a local man he will probably
be listed. They also have a copy of POW's from the Great War
which you can check. I have been a number of times and
the staff are very approachable and helpful.

The only other things I can suggest is to get his Medal Index
Card, this doesn't always tell you much more than you know
but you do need it for the referances needed to get copies of
his entry on any medal rolls. You can PlumPudding his MIC from ERROR://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ueryType=1 for £3.50. The Western Front Association have the
original MIC and they will search for his for you for a small fee,
the difference is they will also copy any information found on
the back of the card. Once you know his medal entitlement
you can get copies of his Medal Roll entries which can tell you
a little more but you will have to go to London and search for them.

I think that the best source of information on him would be
his Soldiers Service Record but about 40% were destroyed
during the Great War, you can search for these at the
National Archives in Kew. I tend to pay a researcher to do
this for me, I have used a gentlemen called John Collins on
a number of occasions. He does a package for Soldiers
that didn't survive the Great War, for your money he will
get you copies of the MIC, medal roll entries and search
for a Soldiers Record and send you a copy if it is found
but to be honest with over 40% destroyed in the 2nd World
War you pay your money and take a chance but if they
have survived they really are a great source of information
and interest. If you look at his Website,
ERROR://militaryresearchon.com/ you can order a search on-line
for about £35?

I Hope this is helpful

Barrie
"Evil Flourishes where good men do nothing", The Worcesters are Good Men.
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Postby allanp » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:42 pm

Hi Peter

I have checked The National Roll of the Great War (Birmingham) but unfortunatly he is not shown. Quite a few men are missing from this list.

Also I have no information on wounds etc from 1914-1916

Regards Allan
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Postby Prop_Blast » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:46 pm

Thanks for the reply's men.
I remember posting this on here a few years ago. Somebody told me that he was wounded somewhere near Ypres and they even gave me the most likely night he was wounded. I've searched the site but I think the post has long since been deleted.
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Postby scully » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:57 pm

Hi Peter,

I have check all the old forum and deleted messages, which I have archived, and can find no reference to a Pte. Thomas Richard Hayes. Are you sure you posted it on this website.

Regards,

Louis (webmaster)
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Postby Prop_Blast » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:36 pm

yes I'm 100% this website and this forum.
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Postby scully » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:43 pm

Hi Peter,

Do you remember the user name you used at the time. If so I will do another search of the Forum Archive for you.

Regards,

Louis
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Postby Prop_Blast » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:45 pm

?="scully"? Peter,

Do you remember the user name you used at the time. If so I will do another search of the Forum Archive for you.

Regards,

?/?

I'm not sure what my user name was last time I joined the forum. It may simply have been: Peter Hayes but I can't be certain. I do hope you can dig it up. :D
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Postby scully » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:47 pm

Hi Peter,

Will have another search.

Do you remember what email address you used at the time.

Regards,

Louis
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Postby scully » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:02 am

Hi Peter,

I have just found a copy of his Medal Index Card which states he was with the 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment.

Regards,

Louis
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Postby Prop_Blast » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:28 am

?="scully"? Peter,

Will have another search.

Do you remember what email address you used at the time.

Regards,

?/?

Yes it was djinfluence@hayes818.freeserve.co.uk
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Postby Prop_Blast » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:30 am

?="scully"? Peter,

I have just found a copy of his Medal Index Card which states he was with the 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment.

Regards,

?/?

Excellent. Any chance of a look at it? Seems like the Commonwealth War Graves Commission was wrong with regards to which battalion he was in.
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Postby scully » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:32 am

Hi Peter,

I just done another search using the email address you just gave but there is no matches in the Forum Archives. Sorry.

Regards,

Louis
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Postby Prop_Blast » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:18 am

?="scully"? Peter,

I just done another search using the email address you just gave but there is no matches in the Forum Archives. Sorry.

Regards,

?/?

Ok no problem. Thanks anyway.
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Postby Prop_Blast » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:25 am

As Scully states that the copy of my great grandfathers Medal Index Card indicates that he was in the 4th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment then this will have to be changed in the regimental Roll of Honor 1914-1920
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