10618 and 10619 . Are they brothers in Death?

[Mike Jones]

Merry Christmas All,
I know you are all bored silly at the moment, playing Monopoly or Charades, so wondered if anyone can help solve a problem for me. One of my own special interests is brothers that died fighting in the Worcestershire Regiment. I have 55 sets of such brothers.
I think that Pte. George Knock M.M. 10618 , Killed in Action Nov. 1917 is the brother of Pte. William Knock 10619 , Killed in Action Oct . 1917. Both men were born in Ashford, Kent and both enlisted in Canterbury. The War Graves Commission do not mention any connection. Can anyone prove the Link, please? The first to answer will get a Blue Peter badge and 10 Brownie Points.
Many Thanks Mike

[Kevin Lynott]

Mike,
I can't help with the Knock brothers but do you have the following pairs of brothers and trio of brothers in your list?

ALLEN Albert Henry Cpl 200182 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div KIA 9/10/17 aged 21 years.
ALLEN Harold Pte 3351 C Co. 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div KIA by shellfire on 17/11/16 aged 29 years.

BURRY Arthur James Pte 14713 1st Bn Worcs Reg 8th Brig 24th Div DOW 2/8/18 aged 23 years.
BURRY Francis Hugh Pte 2644 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div DOW 19/7/16 aged 21 years.

HUDSON Giles Andrew Pte 2282 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div. He died in Manchester Military Hospital at Didsbury on 10/8/16 aged 29 years.
HUDSON Joseph Foster DCM(L/G 13/2/17) L/Cpl 200583 A Coy 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg (att LTMB)144th Brig 48th Div KIA 26/8/17 aged 22 years.

LYONS Martin Pte 9800 10th Bn Worcs Reg 57th Brig 19th Div. He was attached to the signal section and was killed by a shell exploding above his trench on 4/7/17 aged 19 years.
LYONS John Thomas Pte 201736 1/8th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div DOW home 7/9/18 aged 22 years.

MILLS George Henry Pte 4095 A Coy 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div died 8/4/16 aged 19 years.
MILLS James Thomas Pte 15301 4th Bn Worcs Reg 88th Brig 29th Div KIA 4/6/15 Gallipoli aged 19 years.

MOULE Archibald Pte 13767 4th Bn Worcs Reg 88th Brig 29th Div KIA 6/8/15 aged 21 years.
MOULE Arthur Pte 200524 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div DOW 6/4/17 aged 20 years.
MOULE William Lawrence MC CSM 20067 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div DOW 24/4/17 aged 27 years.

POWELL James Henry He died in Kidderminster Infirmary on 6/5/20 from the effects of wounds aged 24 years. He had served as 17664 in the Worcs Reg and was wounded in the left shoulder in late 1915. He was then critically WIA on 12/10/17 whilst serving with the MGC. It was the third time that he was WIA.
POWELL William Pte 10436 4th Bn Worcs Reg 88th Brig 29th Div KIA 18/10/16 aged 29 years

WALTERS Francis Pte 2492 B Coy 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div. He was in a front line trench when he was struck by shell fragments and killed on 6/10/15 aged 34.
WALTERS John Pte 1630 1/7th Bn Worcs Reg 144th Brig 48th Div died 15/8/16 aged 21 years

WILLIAMS Albert George L/Cpl 13509 10th Bn Worcs Reg 57th Brig 19th Div KIA 10/4/18.
WILLIAMS Sidney Pte 22479 9th Bn Worcs Reg 39th Brig 13th Div, died 6/12/16 from Typhoid in Mesopotamia aged 19 years.

[Mike Jones]

Hi Kevin,
Thank you for your help. I do have those sets of brothers on my List but not some of the additional information that you sent. I have now included it. I do have Pte. Harold Allen 3351 as 19 years old , can you confirm the age you gave, please? I usually check any query like the Knock "Brothers" in the 1901 Census but my main computer is defunct (Again). I was hoping someone else has a working computer with access to the 1901 census and look them up for me, hint , hint ! Two men with unusual surnames born in Ashford, Kent.
I rekon there are double the number of brothers that I know about. Making the total for the Worcesters at over 100 sets of brothers. The Worcesters have three sets of brothers killed on the SAME day. Imagine the grief of the parents, actually such grief cannot be imagined. Nor would the grief ever end. When other men took their sons for a drink or to a football match. An empty seat at mum's Christmas table. No grandchidren. It never ends.
Many thanks Mike

[Kevin Lynott]

Mike,
the list I sent you is an extract from my research of the men listed on the main memorial in Kidderminster. My sources were SDGW, CWGC, Stacke, various other unit historys, the voter roll for 1901 and the local paper of the time. Trouble is I can't remember where I got each bit of information from, including in this case Allens age at the time of his death.
Incidentally are the Boucher brothers from Astley who were KIA the same day on your list?

Kevin

[allanp]

Hi Mike

I don't know if these are brothers, but their names and numbers made me wonder. 23007 Pte F. Haynes 23006 Pte W. Haynes, both of the 4th Battalion reported missing 18th September 1915.

Regards Allan

[Mike Jones]

Hi Kevin and Allan,
I do have the Boucher brothers down, very sad as neither of them has a known grave. Nor do the Lowe brothers, who also died on the same day. It was from CWGC, that I got the age of Pte. Allen, they say 19 years old.
Allan, I have a question mark against the Haynes "Brothers". Indications are they are linked but the same story, I need the 1901 Census. The Haynes boys, were Killed in Action on the 6th August 1915. You say they were reported "Missing" 18th September. I wonder when their parents got the bad news? The Turks did take some prisoners that day. So there was probably a delay to find if they were among them. Both the Haynes boys are on the Helles Memorial to the missing.
Thanks to you both Mike

[beardie]

mike,
have you got the bruton brothers in your list?

204188 pte harry bruton of the 8th worcesters killed in action 9/10/17

2nd lt thomas brunton m.m. 4th worcesters killed by sniper 1/9/18
mm won as a sgt with 7th worcesters

both sons of margaret bruton of dudley

beardie

[beardie]

hi again , just wondering if you have any information on the ennis family from dudley?
beardie

[beardie]

1901 census ennis family , bull ring ,dudley
samson ennis m. 38 iron moulder
alice ennis m 38
john ennis 8
bert ennis 4
samson ennis 3
alice 2

in the 1980s(ish) a list was compiled by dudley teachers centre of men killed in world war one.

the following ennis are listed as living in 1 ct, 5 stafford street, dudley

ennis albert 2015 pte 7th worc,
ennis john 201316 pte 7th worc.
ennis samson 201416 7th worc .
ennis samuel 11103 7th s. staffs

i wonder where samuel was on the 01 census? or could samuel be the father!

beardie

[Mike Jones]

Hi Steve,
You are the first one to beat me, with sets of brothers I dont have but then are they brothers? I had noticed the Brutons. The next of kin for Harry Bruton 204188 was his mother Margaret but his father is named as Harry. With Thomas Bruton, mother was Margaret but father was the late Henry Bruton.
With the Ennis Family, it could be 3 brothers who died fighting in the regiment. There is no doubt that Albert Ennis 2015 is the son of Samson. Albert had brothers John and Samson but are they the same two men who died in the Worcesters?
Regards Mike

[beardie]

hi mike,
i have sent you by email, newspaper article on the bruton brothers and there brother in law who was also killed.

beardie

[allanp]

Hi Beardie

I have a report of 2015 Pte A Ennis 7th Battalion Killed dated 8 January 1916 in the Worcester Herald. No other Ennis's yet.

Regards Allan