medal cards

[tvr3000m]

Dear Mike
I have been trying to find out what medals my great-grandfather may have been given. No one in the family seems to have them or remembers any. I read that the army does not issue pre-1920 medals any more, but it would be nice to know if there were any & if he had a death plaque & certificate. I can't find his medal card on Ancestry either.
Pte. David Batham 20120 3rd Bn. Worc, died 9.8.1915, buried in
La Brique No. 1 military cemetery

[Alan Beardsmore]

Joy,

Look below:

ERROR:**www.nationalarchives.gov.uk*documentsonline*details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=1349847&queryType=1&resultcount=36

but everywhere you see a* put a forward slash!

Alan.

[tvr3000m]

Hi Alan
have looked on that website, still can't find anything for David Batham, found other grandfather, Richard Pearson, paid & PlumPudding, now printer has packed up!
Joy.

[Mike Jones]

Hello Joy.
you may already know but David does have a Medal Index Card at the National Archives. If you PlumPudding it, it will tell which medals were issued. It will also reveal if they were delivered to next-of-kin or returned to the Medals Office. There are about 500,000 Medal Index Cards missing from Ancestry. If you cannot locate the actual Medals, you can buy high Quality copies to replace them.
Regards Mike

[tvr3000m]

Hi Mike
I eventually found David Batham's medal card, tried giving all information I had - nothing, then just put in his surname & up it came. How do you tell if they were issued or returned? My mother seems to think his wife returned them or threw them away.
Joy.

[Mike Jones]

Hi Joy,
It wll say so on the card. Sounds easy but it is a shortened form. It will say "RTD. KR 1743" for medals returned as undeliverable. Other codes for other reasons. If you want to E/Mail me a copy of the card, I will let you know any "Extras".
Regards Mike

[stv1x]

Hi Mike,

I've just PlumPudding the medal cards for my great uncle from the Archives but it really hasn't enlightened me. Could you I send them to you via email for a gander?

Steve

[scully]

Hi Steve,

Usually there is not to much detail on the medal index card. It normally shows:
Regiment (sometimes the Battalion)
Rank
Army Number
Date of entry into Theatre and Theatre of war
Medals entitled to
It may also show some other details id died or killed in action.

What is the name of your great uncle and army number?

Regards,

Louis (webmaster)

[stv1x]

Hi Louis,

The medal card that I PlumPudding from the Archives is a little confusing as it shows 6 cards with his name on it. I am assuming that the other cards are other soldiers with the same name?

My great uncle was Herbert Ernest Brown, CSM, # 6204

I tried to post the image but it doesn't preview so here's the direct link to the medal card(s) that I PlumPudding.

(edited to add that i can't post link as it wont let me??)

Any help is greatly appreciated as this forum has completed a previously unknown part of Herbert's life.
Steve

[scully]

Hi Steve,

I had a look at his Medal Index Card for you.

C.S.M. Herbert Ernest Brown (6204)

His Medal Index Card show very little information. His rank is first stated on the card as CSgt meaning Colour Sergeant then it is changed to W.O. Cl. 2 meaning Warrent Officer Class 2 which is a Company Sergeant Major (normally referred to as C.S.M.). The other details on the card show he was entitled to the Victory Medal, War Medal and the 1915 Star. It shows that he entered the Theatre of was in the Balkans on the 4th July 1915 (Gallipoli).

I have found some more information on him from his service record for you and details it below.

Enlisted 31st December 1900 (aged 19) in Birmingham his occupation at the time was stated as a Packer.
Served with the Worcestershire Regiment in South Africa and was awarded the Queens South African Medal 1900-1902 with 4 clasps.
He served in South Africa with the 1st Battalion Worcestershire Regiment from 9th April 1901 to 2nd May 1904.
Promoted to Lance Corporal on the 5th March 1903.
Passed a Class on Chiropody on the 18th April 1903.
Promoted to Corporal on the 23rd February 1904
Posted to the 2nd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment on the 3rd November 1904.
He then served with the 2nd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment in Ceylon from 3rd November 1904 to 19th December 1906.
Appointed unpaid Lance Sergeant on the 8th January 1906. On the 17th May 1906 was appointed paid Lance Sergeant.
He then served with the 2nd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment in the East Indies from 20th December 1906 to 5th March 1913.
Promoted to Sergeant on the 6th November 1907.
On the 28th January 1910 he suffered a wound to his foot and was admitted to hospital on the 31st January 1910 for treatment.
Qualified at the School of Musketry Hythe in Rifle Course on the 28th June 1913.
He was admitted into hospital on the 17th March 1915 with Gout and discharged fit on the 27th March 1915.
He then served with the Worcestershire Regiment back in the U.K. from 6th March 1913 to 21st June 1915.
Posted to the 9th Battalion on the 8th August 1914.
Promoted to Company Sergeant Major (c.S.M.) on the 10th August 1914.
Was in the U.K. with the from 5th August 1914 to 21st June 1915.
Served with the 9th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment from 22nd June 1915 to 10th August 1915 when he was reported missing - On the 17th August 1915 it was confirmed that he had been Killed in Action.
Entered Theatre of War on the 4th July 1915 (Gallipoli).
He had married Florence May Thomas on the 23rd September 1914 at St. Benedicts Church, Borderley.
They had a daughter Elieen May Brown born 21st June 1915 but died the following year on the 16th December 1916.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Louis (webmaster)

[stv1x]

Louis, that is simply incredible information....thank you so much! I discovered previously, from this forum, that he had been married less than 12 months before his death and now, with your help, the question as to whether any children were born of this marriage has now been answered. It is such a pity that their daughter died but the case is now closed in that regard.

I am simply amazed by the information that has been gleaned, particularly as it includes details unavailable anywhere else concerning a daughter.

Thank you again!.

Steve

[scully]

Steve,

Glad to be of help.

Louis (webmaster)

[allanp]

Hi Steve

I have found this information in the Worcester Herald

18th September 1915 edition
Missing, 9th Battaion
6204 Comp Sergt Major H. E. Brown

9th October 1915 edition
Believed Killed
6204 Co Sergt Major H. E. Brown 9th Batt

Regards Allan