13465 PRIVATE JOSEPH HINCHMORE

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13465 PRIVATE JOSEPH HINCHMORE

Postby john hinchmore » Sun May 27, 2007 11:55 am

Hi everybody starting to do some more research again after a long time found this great website and decided to post, hopefully the information will be of use to people and also find a little more about my great uncle.

13465 PRIVATE Joseph Hinchmore
KIA F&F 15/9/16

Had been a reservist whilst working on & off at baggeridge colliery Gornal Dudley.
About 12 months before the outbreak of war he had signed on for another 12 years and had been in france from the outbreak of war, after 9 months active service he was wounded in the right hand and was in hospital for 9 weeks then a short stay at home before returning to france. Found the above information from a copy of the Dudley Herald Nov 1916. Dudley Archives.

According to Capt stacke,s history he was in the 10th battalion just south of the river douve on the night he was killed under the command of 2/lieuts. W. Bigwood M.C. & C.C.U Newcombe it also states that 4 men were killed i have so far only found 2 along with my great uncle.
16871 Bernard William Bush &
8814 William Joseph Ravenhill.

Private Hinchmore started out in the 3rd battalion before ending up with the 10th was this due to returning to france after being wounded! What hospital would he have been sent too! And are there any photos in existence of the 3rd battalion before they left for france.
If anybody knows any more on the people mentioned above or finds any referance to Private Hinchmore i,d be very gratefull.
Good luck with your searching.
John.
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Joseph Hinchmore

Postby Mike Jones » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:56 am

Hello John,
there is not much I can add to what you already know but I may be able to give you some ideas as to where to research Joseph next. He joined in February 1914. I do not have the list of 3rd Battalion 1914 Star Medal holders (Does anyone have it , please?). So I cant say whether he has the Star, nor anyone who was with him in August 1914. Do you have his Medal Index Card? He did not get back to the 3rd Battalion because, as you suspect, after his wound he was put in another Battalion. This was usual practice, very few men got back to their original Bn.. I have looked at the records and there is NO 4th casualty listed for the 10th Bn. on 15th September 1916. There are 2 men listed for other Battalions on that day but even allowing for a mix-up, they cannot have been that 4th man. I think Captain Stacke may have meant Cpl. John Cooper, who died in a French Hospital on the 18th. Captain Stacke's figures rarely match those of the official burials. For instance, Captain Stacke says no one died in the 1st Battalion on the 6th of June 1918 (or even near that date). The War Graves list 72 men of the 1st Bn. killed that day! I have to say, in general I agree with Stacke's figures.
If you look in Berrows Journal, it may well list the circumstances of Joseph's wounding. There will almost certainly be a small obituary listed just after his death. The details on Berrows has just been the subject of a posting on the Forum under " Valuable resource". For a photo and possibly even more information, try Worcestershire Regimental Archives at Norton Barracks.
Regards Mike
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Postby john hinchmore » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:49 pm

Hi Mike
Thanks very much for the information, medal index card shows victory, british and 15 star, states date of entry therein 17/12/14. Not an authority on medals but did you only get 1914 star if as the name suggests you were on the front line in that year?
Berrows journal will definately look into that next time in worcester did try the archives a few years back for pictures of the 10th battalion but no joy they were very helpfull though so will give them another go regarding the 3rd battalion. if i have any luck i,ll let you know.

Thanks again
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Postby justices » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:32 pm

Hi John,

Just passing through and saw this.
Here's a precis of entitlement:

1914 Star - in service with a unit in France or Belgium between 5th August and midnight on the 22/11/1914

Aug-Nov Bar - Star recipients who served "under fire" during same period

1914-15 Star (1915 Star) - Bit of a strange one but generally, awarded to all who SERVED in any of the theaters between 5th August 1914 and 31st December 1915 but NOT entitled to 1914 Star.

Hence your man has the 1914-15 (1915) Star (17th December 1914)

Hope this helps,
Kind Regards,

SMJ

PS Anyone who got the Stars automatically got the War and Victory medals, too.

?="john hinchmore"? Mike
Thanks very much for the information, medal index card shows victory, british and 15 star, states date of entry therein 17/12/14. Not an authority on medals but did you only get 1914 star if as the name suggests you were on the front line in that year?
Berrows journal will definately look into that next time in worcester did try the archives a few years back for pictures of the 10th battalion but no joy they were very helpfull though so will give them another go regarding the 3rd battalion. if i have any luck i,ll let you know.

Thanks again
John.?/?
Researching: Steven Oram 4th Worcs D.o.W. 3/9/1916
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Postby john hinchmore » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:30 am

Hi Simon.
That,s great thanks for clearing up the medals issue.

All the best.
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Postby allanp » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:13 pm

Hi Simon

I have been looking through the Casualty lists for 1916 and have found 2 entries that may be of interest.

13465 Pte J Hinchmore 3rd Battalion is reported wounded and admitted to the West Hall V.A.D. Hospital Tunbridge Wells on the 17 June 1915.

But also 13465 Pte G Hinchmore admitted to the 1st Southern General Hospital Birmingham 24 June 1915.

The question is, do these 2 men have the same number (unlikley), same surname but different initial, brothers, or just a typo and he was transfered to a specialist hospital to treat his wounds. Mistery.

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Postby john hinchmore » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:47 am

Hi Allan

Just logged on to check some information as was going into worcester this week and saw your post, pretty sure it,s the same man as my great uncle was the only hinchmore in the worcestershire regiment.

Do you have the casualty lists themselves or have you been to the archives at norton researching them just curious as i hadn,t been aware of them.

Thanks again for posting as i, didn,t think i was going to find out much more about him.

Regards John.
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Postby allanp » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:30 pm

Hi John

If you are going to Worcester, go to the Worcester Library & History Centre in Trinity St. They will direct you to a microfise machine and help you to find the tape for the Worcester Herald 1915. Scan down to the dates I have given you and you will see the entry. This can also be printed ot (for a small charge about 20p). Look for both enties. Hope this helps

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Re: 13465 PRIVATE JOSEPH HINCHMORE

Postby John(txic) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:46 pm

Zombie thread......

If you're still around, you might like to know that Pte Hinchmore is commemorated on Dudley's clock tower war memorial, and also at St James', Eve Hill.
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